Thursday, July 12, 2007

this is not a book review



if you have never read the series, i would highly recommend it. that's all i want to say, because i don't want to give you puffed up expectations.

as i re-read them this time in anticipation of the conclusion in a week's time, i am struck with how powerful the dynamics between the establishment and the "rebels." i am impressed with how accurately this dynamic is portrayed, and as such, struck with so many pains that stir deep within. how amazing and powerful this scene that has played itself out so many times in our religious institutions. how the one who brings us a truth we would rather not face is cast down and maligned rather than listened to. how many times have we seen this over and over?

i can't say enough to do them justice or encompass all that stirs within me as i read them. i'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, or perhaps i am crazy, but there seems to be a huge "awakening" that is happening to people in a spiritual underground all over the world. not along any sort of religious lines, but rather an undercurrent of spiritual similarity as people are waking up and leaving behind everything they have known and coming to similar spiritual journeys all over the globe. it is amazing to witness and humbling to be a part of. but the more i learn to see it, the more i see it bleeding through in the most unlikely of places. (like the new linkin park that i'm listening to right now) it seems that the more sterile and stale and stagnant and isolated and hateful and fearful and blind the establishment becomes, the more profound the spiritual statements seem to become. i don't know how to describe it really, but there seems to be a spirit sweeping through the world right now shaking things up. erasing old lines and drawing new ones. it seems as if "sides" are being formed in anticipation of a chaotic deneumont. and i grow ever fearful that the institution that was started to bring us "salvation" will actually be the death of us. those of us who refuse to obey anyway... and i grow ever fearful that the same institution will believe they are serving god by killing us off.

perhaps it's just me. and i'm not talking about any sort of a hokey "the world is going to end and here are the verses and headlines to prove it" rhetoric. but i feel the world building towards something right now, something major. something explosive. i can't explain it any better than that right now... sorry.

anyone else feeling or noticing the same things?

20 comments:

Nate said...

The establihment in america is cracking, not only in the church, but in the political arena as well. Right now, the republicans and deocrats only have like 63% of the population. Many more would defect if they had another choice.

Religiously, I think the the doubts and descensions were always there, but had no voice. Because Jon, as you are painfully aware, churches do not like anything other than their own doctrine being taught. But all of us who always felt wrong in church, did not know what to do about it. But since blogging came about, we have been able to say, God is not leading us in the direction the churches want to go, and found an online community with which to connect that is what the true church is to be. Nonjudgemental, caring, compassionate, openminded, and more than anything, just loving. So those disaffected now are able to find a place outside the demonizing policies of the DOs.

jON said...

this can encompass both recent posts. politically i am nothing. not interested in american politics. i only posted the bush thing because i felt lead. am i saying that he's the "little horn"? no, not necessarily. but listening to him speak the way he does and utter what are, in my mind, very bostful things that so closely mirror what he accuses his enemy of kind of gets under my skin sometimes.

interesting that you say that many would defect if they had another choice. and they do. but i assume you are talking of a viable choice. because choosing democrat vs. republican is much like choosing between coke vs. pepsi. they'll both rot your teeth out, they'll just taste differently doing it. "What a bunch of garbage... liberal, Democratic, conservative, Republican, it's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin! Two management teams, bidding for control of the CEO job of Slavery Incorporated!" -waking life

but is this online community all that there is? or do you feel that it is only the beginning of something much bigger? it seems to me that it is simply flushing out the old systems of thinking and paradigms in which we all were crammed in one way or another. it has allowed us to begin to explore these ideas that were planted in us and see them grow and allow those of us who are disaffected to understand that we are not alone. (as we were told to believe)

i think god is doing something global, and for the first time, we can all witness it together. i think, very shortly, we are going to see these ideas spilling out into the physical world in radical, radical ways. you know, i have often thought (to tie both thoughts together) that the disaffected youth from the late 60's who were beat back into submission would probably rejoin the movement. i think you are quite right about that. the more i have contemplated and researched this subject, the more i have heard people say, in essence, that "we're simply waiting to be organized."

i am going to post more about this in a little bit as soon as my thoughts are ordered. but i feel strongly called to offer people an alternative. not just for myself, but for anyone who would come. to offer something else... to offer a viable alternative to this american culture and system of survival that lyingly screams "you need me to survive!" and controls people with fear and manipulation and almost a voluntary slavery. this system that has begun creeping it's way across the globe taking over every culture in its path.

still thinking on this. more later.

any thoughts?

wanting more said...

I think Nate is on the right track regarding what the church is called to be...and no where did that require a building with a budget and a crapload of legalism...
but every time I get angry with the church, or feel alienated, God reminds me how often I am also wrong, I judge others, and how often His grace has provided a way for me, and how much He loves the church, HIS Bride...and How the culmination of His history results in that bride bound to His Son.

I believe that the only way for the REAL truth to be poured forth is in humility, BEING Jesus to the church and the world...exhibiting His heart to those who seemed to have lost all touch with why they are where they are in the first place.

Love covers a multitude of sin...all of mine, all of yours, all of the established church's. Thank God. I hope and pray that this is the movement that is rising up among us who are so disatisfied. I pray that our hearts would well with love and compassion for those who are hurting, the poor, the shamed, the angry, the murderers...and the church, and God would begin to show them (us) what they (we) look like in His eyes. I pray that religion would be done away with once and for all...and we would lose ourselves in following the only One who really knows the right way. He has promised us that in this giving up our own lives, we will surely find freedom. Freedom to move and speak only when HE says so, no matter what established anything says. We don't need anything else to survive! That's reckless. That's dangerous.

Peter said...

happy birthday, jon!

Valorosa said...

"but i feel the world building towards something right now, something major. something explosive."

Yes I feel it, too, and like you, can't explain it all ... I know those who worship God in spirit and in truth ... the bride who awaits with lamps trimmed ready for His return ... are more alert than ever ... the affluent world is beginning a major push to eradicate poverty and I believe it is a realistic goal... at least the kind of poverty that causes starvation .. I don't mean that everyone will be wealthy but that food will be shared ... and with that there will be a unifying of this old world ... we are so much smaller and in touch with each other than we used to be ... the stage is definitely being prepared for the final act.
The world is in labour.

jON said...

"The world is in labour."

hence the pregnant woman photo...

jON said...

and nice use of the "o-u-r" in "labour." since us here in the states often omit the "u"...trading "colour" for "color."

jON said...

wanting more... thanks for coming back yet again. i still remember the first time we met. we were talking about the word "fuck." haven't really seen you since. thought we had kind of scared you off. thanks for coming back it's good to see you. there are usually some kind of snacks hanging around. just ask. or you can bring some thing of your own to share. tonight, in celebratuion for my birthday, i splurged for some delicious cashews...i brought them in this convenient little soapbox.

this has been a tough deliniation for me to come to. the line can be fuzzy at times, but it is a line that i believe genuinely exists whether we want to say either that "it doesn't", or "it does but i don't think it matters that much."

my problem is not, and never has been with people who have been struck by the Unfathomable one. the Intanigble beauty. More. and my problem is not the radical lives they live afterwards.

my problem lies with another entity. apiritual entity. this entity has taken the name "church" upon itself, but this entity is truly an evil imposter. it is a political and doctrinal organization based on law and rules that has subverted the real meaning of the truth that it "protects." it has done this subverting through means of stealing the true language, giving it new meaning, and telling us that to question this meaning is to blaspheme against and deny god and risk losing eternal salvation. this is done to ensure that we will never question or dig. the authority is absolute.

at least this has been my experience. the most startling thing about my experience was that it was made abundantly clear to BOTH sides that these two worlds cannot co-exist.

i opened myself up to the posibility of something else... to the ridiculous notion that it is okay to truly know and love people just as they are. including myself. to think that i didn't always need to hate everything about myself in order to know that god loved me. and that i didn't need to let that hatred for myself spill over into how i feel about everyone else.

yes, i have seen the effects and truths about what you refer to. what i know as "reverse snobbery." where the afflicted or countercultural types feel so superior to the people who are not like them. by saying to the rich and affluent, "you think you're so much better than other people who don't have as much. it's so bad for you to think that you could be better than other people. i'm so much better than you because you think you're better than other people." i've been there. i think we all have.

but this is more deeply rooted. when i was expressing all of the wonderful things that i was learing and were spilling out in my life and in the lives of all those around me to the leadership, their response was to try to kill what was growing inside of me. and i could never understand that. and it was hard to acknowledge that a pastor and an elder of "the church" would want to close a heart that had learned how to be all things to all men and go into corners of the culture they would never go into to spread light and life. it was confusing and damaging to know that they wanted to kill that. that they wanted to kill off the joy and love i had finally found, and kill off my ability to spread that into the world.

to me, though the titles and doctrines are traditional, that does not accurately describe what i think of as "church". yet it is exactly what many people DO think of when they think of "church." and they are held in a mental and spiritual prison as a result. i think this prison is created by the laws. by the rules. by the conditions that must be met in order to receive the "unconditional" love. i call this web of shit-strings that wrap themselves around you in bondage as "the code." and i am afraid that it is "the code" that most people who take the name of "christian" and "church" upon themselves are truly worshipping and in love with. i think that pretty much makes "the code" an idol.

that's what's so concerning to me about "church."

Nate said...

It is a burden that God has put on me to create a "cyberplace" that can be used for everyone to express what it is that they want to express. I am just waiting for the knowledge of how to do it without it getting crazy.

jON said...
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jON said...

yes. i agree with you nate. and i, sadly as well, must express my ignorance in this area. however, i'm sure we can either find the right person/people who DO posses such knowledge, or, being two altogether comtepetant mental beings could probably gain the knowledge ourselves if need be.

like i said, i kind of see a "virtual foyer" where you are able to go to the different "rooms" within said space.

you could have a set of "classrooms" where people are able to share whatever is on their minds and hearts for deeper study. on a variety of topics. whatever people feel lead to share. it could be a one time study, or you could do a verse by verse expedition of the book of judges for the rest of your life. it's up to you, really. people can decide to join the class at liberty anytime they desire. the door is always open. a group could decide to read a book together in their own various homes and then have a worldwide discussion about it. take as many classes as you like. so on and so forth...

you could have a bulletin board for prayer and the like...

an art gallery for people to share their work...

a soundroom for people to share their music...

and while people could maintain their own personal blogs if they so desire, (we would of course provide links to everyone's stuff) it would be a central "hub", of sorts, for us all to touch base with as much or as little as we desire or need. and with such regular, intimate contact, i believe it will begin spilling over into our physical worlds around us. i just don't think we'll be able to contain it. this could be a very good way for us to begin having a global impact about these things we say we believe so strongly. and if we have the spirit, and if we've been given the abilities and gifts to accomplish something like this... then i believe we should try.

these ideas are not law. just brainstorming. feel free to build on to, or ammend, at will. but if we can really put our heads together and DO this, well... i think i would just love the shit out of that.

thank you nate for being faithful in sharing your burden. i didn't know why, but god seemed to be telling me to wait on my blog. to not post anything new and just wait. i got sick of seeing "8 comments" for several days. but what a pleasant surprise tonight when i saw number 9.

i think now i know why.

much love.

Nate said...

I think I will start with a "Just Wondering?" Blog. Asking questions like? Just wondering what you think of the ritualism in the Church. Is it Good, or Bad? And start discussions. Asking those questions that churches will not allow. Maybe start there so that people can find it and understand that there are many more like them.

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Susan said...

I'm probably late but Happy Birthday, Jon.

It's an interesting discussion not sure where I fit with it except to say God is always up to something, always wanting to lead people into more truth, more love, more of Himself.

curious servant said...

There has always been the sense that the end is near...

Still... there has never been such a time as this.

Here I am, tapping at these little plastic keys in front of a little glowing window into a realm that does not exist excepts as moving electrons through other bits of plastic and glowing screens and I share my thougths with you.

There has never been an internet.

There has never been a time when humanity has had so much influence over the environment.

There has never been such potential for destruction, nuclear, chemical, biological, conventional, and cyber, as now.

There has never been such a time as when ordinary individuals have been so free to explore their own faith in the context of so much information.

I feel it too...

There is a sense of something large moving just behind the facade of the universe, a sense of mighty changes...

Lexi said...

hey uncle jon. i'm on my blogger i'm gunna be working on it again. you should check it out i'll be updated problly weekly

jON said...

yes, yes, and yes. thanks to evryone who has dropped in. i'm still thinking on this. more than just a central place for blogdom, i am also considering the physical aspect of our lives and community as well. conversations are being had, but i want something slightly more tanglible bfore i up chuck word vomit here. give me 'til early next week before i gab about this again. as always, any new thoughts you have are always welcome. curious servant, it's good to see you here. things are quieter than normal. hope we'll see you again.

and if any of you could help with my request for info on Nimrod, it would be appreciated... thanks!!!

Dena G said...

I'm with you, Jon. Just dealing with some "stuff" (again) right now, so I've not had much to say.

I fear, too, that the so-called "church" will be the death of us. You're not alone. I'm not alone--I'm actually discovering that more and more every day.

jON said...

which, in turn, dena is a lot of what these thoughts and how they mingle with intenional community have been about in my head. which is why i was so encouraged to see you post on the subject at such a time as this.

still thinking. thanks for sharing. i too have much happening right now. i am trying to get used to a second child who is beginning to sleep much less. as well as learning a new job which takes me away about 20 hours more per week than i am recently accustomed. so i haven't been getting around as much as i'd like. but be sure this is on the forefront of my subconscious. always churning and whirling and watching and listening and wondering.

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