Monday, November 06, 2006

what is the bible?

word of god? god's love letter? god's little instruction book? (insert your own cute colaquialism here)? i am asking because i am seriously curious. i am interested in your thoughts as to just what the bible is. and how it is to be used in our lives. i, of course, have thoughts. but i would like to hear yours first. i can hear myself talk anytime.


A-Wix said...

More confusing than instructions in Japanese and more contradictory than a self-righteous Christian.

Also good for reading on long business trips.

Wendy ftfs said...

LOL cool, a-wix

I had a friend at work tell me it was the scariest book he had ever read. And this is a guy who owns a zillion horror movies.

To me ...
It is the greatest love story ever told ...

colloquialism lol

John Dekker said...

I'd go "Word of God". That is, the Bible is God spoeaking to us.

It's not just about God, although it is that as well. In fact, it's God telling us about himself - who he is, what he's done.

jON said...

so it is contradictory. and a love story. and god speaking to us. what are the ocntradictions? how exactly is it god speaking to us? just how does this book apply to our lives?

Wendy ftfs said...

a-wix can answer re: contradictions and the self righteous Christians because I don't agree with him/her. You are welcome to bring examples here though.

It is a good guide book...
The central theme is love. That's everywhere from beginning to end.

There's nothing confusing about it...

Proverbs 3
My son, do not forget my teaching,
but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity.
Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man.
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.
This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones....

jON said...

guide book? so you do not see it as a list of imperatives or commands?

Wendy ftfs said...

No ... ???
I don't think I ever have ...

jON said...

wendy, consider yourself very fortunate that you do not view the bible through the lens of imperative. it has caused me no end of grief and self hatred and self torture than any other thing in my life.

i, too, now, no longer see it this way. i believe it is here to help us understand history, especially to read the writings of men who had dealings with this invisible god. and i find them helpful in my life towards steering me towards the right spirit, but i find it odd that we would read this book and think that we will find the answers and processes for our modern lives by trying to be people who have already lived and listened to god and did what he was asking of them on a moment to moment basis. god never asked abraham to be noah. he did not ask ezekiel to be david. he asked them to be who he needed them to be at that moment in human history.

and he did it quite apart from the scriptures. in fact, as much as i love reading scripture, i find it odd that i do not see a greater emphasis of itself within its pages. at least nothing so extreme as the emphasis that we in our modern churches put on it. many times, i get the impression that when the writiers of the bible speak about their love affair with "thy word" they are talking about something different. i think they're talking about "every word that proceeds from the mouth of the lord." meaning right now. in real time. and it is heard in a different place in your being. and the scriptures help me to learn how to find and listen in this place. but are not meant to BE the place itself.

JN 5:39-40 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life."

2 Cor 3:6 "who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Wendy ftfs said...

the letter kills but the spirit gives life .... yes !!

This is the same spirit... Christ who led Noah Abraham Isaac Jacob Judah Joseph Moses Ezekiel Elijah Elisha Joshua Rahab of Jericho Caleb David Daniel Debra Gideon Isaiah Jeremiah Micah Hosea Mary Joseph Mary and Martha Mary Magdalene and countless others who are not mentioned in the Bible...the apostles and the all present day lovers of God.

Unless you love God you cannot know Him ... read Deuteronomy it says it all ... to those who love those who love me those who love me ...

Deuteronomy 5 and Exodus 20
...right in the middle of the ten we find this ... "showing love to a thousand generations of those "who love me" and keep my commandments."

1Chronicles 16 and Psalm 105

He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. He remembers his covenant forever,
the word he commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant he made with Abraham, the oath he swore to Isaac.

The psalms are filled with the Lord's faithfulness to an imperfect man David ... who "loved" God and the Lord had mercy and loving kindness toward His son, David, simply because David accepted Him for who He was and loved Him. He was a "royal" lol screw up on many occasions. But he passionately loved God.

Don't fear the ten commandments embrace them ... they are eternal and for every generation .... there is freedom in them not bondage. There is life in them not death. They are guidelines to keep YOU out of harm's way ... simple. :-)

The church today has it all wrong in the conversion department ... they need to preach the word and let the word do its work ... No mere man can bring a person to a love relationship with God...only God can do this.

I've written this quickly as I have to leave right now I didn't notice your reply here until today

Let me know if you have questions about what I've said here

Hugs to you and Erin and Zaavan

Ken said...

It is Truth - with a capital T. It is everything we need for 'life and godliness' (2 Peter 1). It is without equal. It is God's final word (Revelation 22:18-19). It is unchanging. It is complete and without need of edit (Matthew 5:18-19). It is exactly what God intends it to be.